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    Fukushima: Gde je bila i nestala radijacija? WHO Report.

    Eto, to pricam od pocetka.
    WHO izzvestaj o Fukushimi i radijaciji kaze isto - nije je bilo rizicne po zdravlje.

    Iz teksta (koji dole sledi):

    "The local government said in December that the highest exposure levels were in Iitate, where residents were allowed to take their time to leave. It is located 40 km northwest of the plant and outside the 20-km evacuation zone."

    To je u planinama gde je vetar odneo tu (malu) radijaciju, tamo ima malo stanovnistva. I tada, rizik je da umesto da nesto dobijes kao jedan u milijardu ljudi, povecan na da budes 1 u 100 miliona. Samo rizik, ne da stvarno nesto fasujes.

    Uz fabricku ogradu Fukushime, da stavis sator i kampujes godinu dana, dobijes pola radijacije koju piloti i stuardese dobiju radeci svoj posao.
    Isto i u krugu od 20km oko nuklearke, jos manje.

    "
    The average annual dose from natural background radiation is about 2.4 mSv globally, with a typical range of 1-10 mSv in various regions, according to the 124-page report.

    In the rest of Fukushima Prefecture, the effective dose was estimated to be within that band of 1-10 mSv, while effective doses in most of Japan were put at just 0.1-1 mSv.
    "

    U EU je ta granica na 100mSv, ne smatra se rizicnom i niko ne bi bio evakuisan.

    U Japanu je 1 mSv, sto puta manje, zato je bilo evakuacije.

    To pricam od dana 1 a sta su mi sve rekli po Forumima zbog toga. Mediji zeljni senzacije a javnost ne razmislja mnogo.

    Link na tekst dok nije nestao. Ima posle komentara zbunjenih, uglavnom stranaca koji zive u Japanu.

    Ceo tekst, WHO (nezavisno telo, nije japanska vlada):


    WHO releases mixed Fukushima radiation report
    By Stephanie Nebehay

    National May. 24, 2012 - 11:50AM JST ( 67 )
    GENEVA —
    Spikes in radiation caused by the Fukushima nuclear disaster were below cancer-causing levels in almost all of Japan, but infants in one town appear to be at a higher risk of developing thyroid cancer, the World Health Organization said on Wednesday.

    In a preliminary report, independent experts said that people in two locations in Fukushima Prefecture may have received a radiation dose of 10-50 millisieverts (mSv) in the year after the accident at the power station operated by TEPCO.

    Separately on Wednesday, a U.N. scientific body said that several TEPCO-related workers were “irradiated after contamination of their skin,” but that no clinically observable health effects had been reported.

    “Six workers have died since the accident but none of the deaths were linked to irradiation,” said a statement issued in Vienna on the interim findings of a study by the United Nations Scientific Committee on the Effects of Radiation (UNSCEAR).

    The 9.0 magnitude earthquake and tsunami on March 11, 2011 wrecked the plant, triggering nuclear meltdowns that contaminated food and water and forced mass evacuations.

    Nearly 16,000 people were killed in the earthquake and the tsunami and 3,300 remain unaccounted for.

    The areas estimated to have received the highest doses of radiation were Namie town in Futaba and Iitate in Soma, northwest of the stricken plant, the report said.

    Infants in Namie were thought to have received thyroid radiation doses of 100-200 mSv, it added. The thyroid is the most exposed organ as radioactive iodine concentrates there and children are deemed especially vulnerable.

    “That would be one area because of the estimated high dose that we would have to keep an eye on,” WHO spokesman Gregory Hartl told Reuters. “Below 100 mSv, the studies have not been conclusive.”

    Populations exposed to radiation typically stand a greater chance of contracting cancers of all kinds after receiving doses above 100 mSv, according to the United Nations agency. The threshold for acute radiation syndrome is about 1 Sv (1000 mSv).

    The local government said in December that the highest exposure levels were in Iitate, where residents were allowed to take their time to leave. It is located 40 km northwest of the plant and outside the 20-km evacuation zone.

    The average annual dose from natural background radiation is about 2.4 mSv globally, with a typical range of 1-10 mSv in various regions, according to the 124-page report.

    In the rest of Fukushima Prefecture, the effective dose was estimated to be within that band of 1-10 mSv, while effective doses in most of Japan were put at just 0.1-1 mSv.

    In the rest of the world, doses were below 0.01 mSv or less, including neighboring Indonesia, the Philippines, South Korea, far eastern parts of Russia, and southeast Asia.

    A dose of 0.01 mSv is equivalent to one tenth of the radiation received on a one-stop flight from New York to Tokyo, half the dose received during a chest X-ray, or equal to a dose received during a one-hour visit to one of Egypt’s pyramids.

    The report did not deal with radiation exposure suffered by emergency workers or people closest to the disaster site.

    “Doses have not been estimated for the zone within 20 kilometers from the Fukushima Daiichi site because most people in the area were evacuated rapidly and an accurate estimation of dose to these individuals would require more precise data than were available,” the report said.

    The experts did not examine the short- and long-term health risks for the emergency response workers who worked on the site
    - that will be part of a wider WHO report due from a separate group of experts in July. That report will also assess the prospect for long-term increases in cancer cases.

    The experts based their assessment on data available up to last September on the amount of radioactivity in air, soil, water and food supplies after the disaster.

    Referring to the world’s worst nuclear disaster at Chernobyl in Ukraine in 1986, the report said: “The experience of the Chernobyl accident was that about 30% of the lifetime dose was delivered during the first year and about 70% during the first 15 years.

    “On the basis of environmental activity concentration data, it can be expected that the fraction of the lifetime dose beyond the first year will be lower for the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant accident than for the Chernobyl accident,” it said.

    (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2012.
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    Evo jednog besmislenog clanka sa katastroficnim naslovom:

    Fukushima radiation higher than first estimated, TEPCO admits


    Obican shoder, autor obilazi kao kisa oko Kragujevca, sve je duplo i vise vece od necega (on ne zna od cega ni od koje vrednosti polazi) pa na kraju otkriva (ne znajuci sta) iz izvestaja WHO:

    The World Health Organization released its own study this week concluding that residents around the Fukushima plant had been exposed to up to 20 times normal background radiation in the first year after the accident. That was still within the WHO’s recommended emergency limit.

    Sta je 20 puta vece? Ko god ovo cita, neka pogleda oko sebe i zamisli radijaciju 20 puta vecu od nepostojece koja ga okruzuje. To je ta "normal background radiation". To je bilo to. Verovatno merljiva instrumentima, uobicajena radijacija se prakticno smatra nepostojecom jer u svakodnevnom zivotu niko od nas ne preduzima nikakve mere da se od nje stiti niti je primecuje.
    Opet, dupeglavi novinar ne zna, to 20-tostruko povecanje radijacije je ravno onome koje se dobije na skijanju na planini ili letu avionom (piloti i stjuardese to rade profesionalno pa ne svetle u mraku).

    Evo celo djubre od clanka, od Rojtersa, da ga zakucam dok ne zastari i sklone ga:

    Fukushima radiation higher than first estimated, TEPCO admits
    By Kevin Krolicki

    National May. 25, 2012 - 11:00AM JST ( 36 )
    TOKYO —
    The radiation released in the first days of the Fukushima nuclear disaster was almost 2-1/2 times the amount first estimated by Japanese safety regulators, the operator of the crippled plant said in a report released on Thursday.

    Tokyo Electric Power said its own analysis conducted over the past year put the amount of radiation released in the first three weeks of the accident at about one-sixth the radiation released during the 1986 Chernobyl disaster.

    “If this information had been available at the time, we could have used it in planning evacuations,” TEPCO spokesman Junichi Matsumoto told a news conference.

    Because radiation sensors closest to the plant were knocked out by the March 11, 2011 quake and the tsunami, the utility based its estimate on other monitoring posts and data collected by Japanese government agencies.

    TEPCO, set to be nationalized in July in exchange for a Japanese government bailout, estimated meltdowns at three Fukushima reactors released about 900,000 terabecquerels of radioactive substances into the air during March.

    That was 2-1/2 times the amount of the first estimate by Japan’s Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency in April last year and about 17 percent more than the highest estimate provided by the government safety agency.

    The estimate was based on measurements suggesting the amount of Iodine-131 released by the nuclear accident was three times higher than previous estimates, the utility said in the report.

    Iodine-131 is a fast-decaying radioactive substance produced by fission that takes place inside a nuclear reactor. It has a half-life of eight days.

    More than 99% of the radiation released by the accident came in the first three weeks, it added.

    The Fukushima Daiichi plant, which had six reactors, was hit by a series of hydrogen explosions and meltdowns after power and cooling systems were cut off by the tsunami.

    The World Health Organization released its own study this week concluding that residents around the Fukushima plant had been exposed to up to 20 times normal background radiation in the first year after the accident. That was still within the WHO’s recommended emergency limit.

    Officials expect it will take up to 30 years to decommission the Fukushima reactors. The accident has prompted a debate over the future of nuclear power in the resource-poor nation.

    (c) Copyright Thomson Reuters 2012.
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    Pa da, to pricam od pocetka. Osim histerijom medija zaplasene javnosti, nije bilo opasnosti ni rizika po zdravlje od radijacije. Od Fukushime niko nije poginuo, niko po zdravlje rizicno ozracen, cak ni radnici u njoj.

    Sada, ponovo se pokrecu 2 reaktora u Fukui prefekturi. Vest na B92 (preneta od Bete) kaze:

    "Svi reaktori u Japanu su isključeni, iz bezbednosnih razloga i zbog održavanja, posle katastrofalnog zemljotresa i cunamija koji su 11. marta 2011. godine opustošili severozapadnu obalu zemlje i teško oštetili Fukušimu jedan."


    Kakvi bezbednosni razlozi? Samo su pogasili sve reaktore kako su dolazili za remont i nisu ih ni pipnuli niti ikako vise obezbedili. Kako su iznenada postali bezbedni, sta ih je napravilo boljim nego pre gasenja? Politicki razlozi su ih "opravili svaka im cast". Pamcenje javnosti polako popusta i vratice ih u pogon jedan po jedan, mozda sve. U Fukui prefekturi ima 16 reaktora, ne samo ova dva. To je na drugoj strani Japana, prema Koreji i Kini.

    Ceo tekst:



    subota 16.06.2012 | 18:43
    Japan: Restrikcije "pale" nuklearke
    Izvor: Beta
    Tokio -- Japan je danas i zvanično saopštio da će reaktivirati dva nuklearna reaktora u centrali Ohi i time se vratiti proizvodnji struje na atomski pogon, javlja BBC.

    Prema rečima japanskih zvaničnika, reaktori u Ohiju, u centralnoj prefekturi Fukui, počeće da rade za tri sedmice.

    To će biti prva nuklearna elektrana koji će biti reaktivirana više od godinu dana pošto je zemljotres praćen cunamijem izazvao veliku havariju u atomskoj centrali Fukušima jedan i naveo vlasti da pogase svih 50 reaktora u zemlji.

    Premijer Japana Jošihiko Noda zatražio je podršku za uključivanje nuklearki, rekavši da će se Japan tokom leta suočiti sa nestašicama struje. On je to izjavio posle sastanka sa guvernerom prefekture Fukui, Kazumasom Nišikavom, koji je odobrio puštanje reaktora u pogon.

    Potom se Noda sastao sa ministrom ekonomije, ministrom nadležnim za nuklearnu katastrofu u Fukušimi, i sa glavnim sekretarom vlade, i na osnovu toga saopštio da će reaktori u Ohiju početi da rade.

    Međutim, premijer se i dalje suočava sa snažnim protivljenjem opozicije i javnosti u vezi sa bilo kakvim povratkom proizvodnji struje na nuklearnu energiju. Prema poslednjim istraživanjima javnog mnenja, 46 odsto stanovništva je i dalje protiv pokretanja nuklearnih centrala u prefekturi Fukui.

    . Zbog "curenja" radijacije u zemlju, vazduh i vodu, evakuisana je velika oblast oko centrale, čija su se tri reaktora istopila.

    Do havarije u Fukušimi, najveće mirnodopske katastrofe tog tipa nakon one u Černobilju (1986), trećina proizvodnje struje u Japanu zasnivala se na nuklearnoj energiji.
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    Trebalo je ovo reci kada sam ja govorio, gledajuci online merenja radijacije oko Fukushime. Ovo je jos bolje - radijacije kao da nije ni bilo.
    Studija je izmerila 1 milisevert na ljudima oko Fukushime. Piloti i stjuardese dobiju 8.

    Ja sam tvrdio da se razapne sator uz ogradu Fukushime i kampuje godinu dana, dobila bi se polovina radijacije koju letacko osoblje rutinski dobija. Tu sam bio u krivu: nije polovina, nego jedna osmina.


    Study shows low levels of radioactivity in people living near Fukushima plant
    National Aug. 17, 2012 - 07:25AM JST ( 22 )
    TOKYO —
    A study released this week found very low levels of radioactivity in people who were living near the Fukushima Daiichi nuclear plant when it suffered the meltdowns.

    The paper, published in the Journal of the American Medical Association, measured cesium levels in 8,066 adults and 1,432 children and found average doses of less than 1 millisievert, which are considered safe. It was the first such study measuring internal exposures to cesium in a large number of people from the disaster.

    The research shows contamination decreased over time, particularly among children, in part because more precautions were taken with their food, water and outdoor activity.

    “No case of acute health problems has been reported so far; however, assessments of the long-term effect of radiation requires ongoing monitoring of exposure and the health conditions of the affected communities,” the report said.

    So far, the actual radiation doses inflicted just after the accident are not exactly known, though exposure is thought to be very small, said David J Brenner, a radiation physicist at Columbia University, who was not part of the research.

    “We do need improved estimates of the radiation dose that people in and near Fukushima prefecture actually received,” he told the AP. “Right now our estimates are based on very, very rough calculations.”
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    Iiiijaoooooo....

    Friday, Aug. 24, 2012

    Fukushima No. 1 worker falls ill, dies

    FUKUSHIMA — A worker at the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant died after being taken to a hospital from the facility Wednesday, police said.

    The worker, who was in his 50s, suffered cardiac arrest while installing an additional tank to store contaminated water, Tokyo Electric Power Co. said.

    He was an employee at a subcontractor for Hitachi-GE Nuclear Energy Ltd. and began to work at the plant last August, Tepco said.
    He is apparently the fifth worker who has died after falling sick at the plant since the nuclear crisis started in March 2011.
    The man arrived at the nuclear plant at around 5:35 a.m. Wednesday and began to work around 9 a.m. He said 50 minutes later he wasn't feeling well and took a rest. At around 10:35 a.m., he was found unconscious and was transported to a hospital in Iwaki, Fukushima Prefecture.
    He had not recently taken sick leave, Tepco said.
    The cumulative combined radiation dose inside and outside his body was 25.24 millisieverts, according to Tepco. For Wednesday alone, the dose was 0.03 millisievert, the power utility said.


    Sta kaze?
    Radnik, fizikalac, bio "in his 50ies".
    Radijacija bila 25.4 miliseverta, za normalan rad je dozvoljeno 50. Za ekstremne situacije 200.
    U Evropi je 100 za opstu populaciju, cak i za vas koji citate ovo u Beogradu.

    Ovo je peti radnik koji je umro radeci u Fukushimi. Kroz Fukushimu je proslo mozda 50 hiljada radnika od kada je pocelo saniranje. Novih radnika, koji nisu pre tu radili.

    Imaju oni nesto zajednicko: dugotrajno nezaposleni (izgubili posao iz ko zna kojih razloga, mozda i zdravstvenih).
    Moguce i licnih ili "behavioral" = lencuge, alkosi, social rejects) i sada dosli da za mesec dana zarade trostruku nadnicu (6,000EUR cisto, spava se i jede o trosku firme).

    Drugo, mnogi od njih su se zaduzili kod Yakuza i nemaju nema posao da vrate pare, nema posla. Stvarno, za takve i nema. Onda dodje Yakuza i kaze: "Nema posla? Sta je ovo? Fukusima zaposljava svaki dan, duzan si 20,000 EUR, ajde lepo tamo 3-4 meseca pa da vratis pare". I, nema vise izgovora.

    Kada se pogleda ko su radnici koji su umrli, nijedan nije umro od radijacije. 60-godisnjaci, srcani bolesnici, ciroza jetre...

    Eto kako se plasira poluistina i sta drugo javnost da pomisli nego da su umrli od radijacije.

    Od Fukushime niko nije poginuo, niko nije umro, niko nije bio po zdravlje stetno ozracen. Kroz Fukushimu je proslo 50,000 hronicno nezaposlenih (godinama, decenijama) od kojih mnogi i nezdravi. Da nisu umrli bas na lokaciji Fukushima niko ih ne bi ni primetio, moguce ni nasao mrtve mesecima.
    Da se pogleda taj segmenent populacije, videlo bi se da Fukushima, osim fizicke lokacije, nema nista sa "preexisting conditions" koje su imali niti je % veci od onih koji nisu nikada bili u Fukushimi.
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