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  1. #1
    Proliferacija gluposti se nastavlja, nepropitivana, prihvacena a autor verovatno na BBQ zabavama sa visine objasnjava kao novinari lista The Sydney Morning Herald dobro poznaju svoju materiju.

    Umesto toga, zasluzio je da mu neko zavali zidarsku shamarcinu zavrat.


    Sta kaze:

    "The Fukushima Dai-ichi nuclear power plant, about 225 kilometres north-east of Tokyo, was severely damaged by the tsunami and spewed large amounts of radioactive materials on the surrounding countryside, much of which remains off limits."

    Glupost. Ono sto je izbaceno eksplozijom pare je prestalo da bude radioaktivno 5m nakon izlaska iz kucista reaktora.
    Minimalne kolicine cezijuma koje su sigurno preostale u pari izasle, otvorile su paniku da voda moze biti rizicna (rizicna, ne automatska bolest) za bebe. Pri tome, beba je trebala da pije 4L vode dnevno 365 dana (pa alkos ne moze da popije toliko piva) , pod uslovom da se cezijum ne raspadne a raspao se (i ta minimalna kolicina je nestala nakon 8 dana). To je sve.

    Da razapnem sator uz ogradu Fukushime i da tu zivim, za godinu dana bih dobio 8 puta manje radijacije nego piloti/stjuardese koji rade svoj posao.

    Po stoti put: zakonodavstvo je reklo da je 1 milisievert godisnje granica. U EU je 20 do 100 milisieverta.

    Problem je sada kao u onom vicu:

    " Koliko Microsoft inzenjera treba da se promeni sijalica?
    Nijedan. Proglase mrak za standard i nema potrebe da se sijalica menja".

    To je i ovde upravo situacija: ne moze japanska vlada sada, nakon nesrece da kaze: menjamo zakon, povecavamo na 100 milisieverta kao u Evropi.

    To su u Evropi uradili posle Cernobila. Niska granica prethodno ustanovljena je bila neodrziva. U blizini (Rusija, Ukrajina) su nuklearke van evropske kontrole, nova nesreca bi videla stotine miliona ljudi iz Zapadne Evrope evakuisanih (gde?), Evropu paralisanu.

    Japan je to ignorisao i sada je to sto je. Koren problema je politicki (zakonodavni) a ne tehnicki ili fizicki.
    A sljam kao ovaj novinar na tome parazitira nemajuci pojma o cemu prica, pravi stetu + jos i platu prima.

    Ceo clanak.
    (Clone of Yoyogi)

  2. #2
    Novinari posetili Fukushimu


    Bio je clanak u Blicu, nestao je sa linka. Nema veze, nisu oni ni bili tamo nego su preneli od drugih agencija sa jednom greskom : originalno se kaze da ce trebati 10 godina da se sve ohladi i istopljeno gorivo izvadi, Blic kaze da ce trebati decenije da se ljudi vrate u okolinu.

    Evo jedna veca glupost, koju niko ne propituje a novinari i ne znaju sta su napisali.

    Bombasticno pocinje:

    Radioactive cesium spread as far as Gunma-Nagano border

    Ceo clanak

    Pa cak daje i mapu gde se radijacija izlila. Drugar mi kaze da je otkazao vikend (mapa je izasla pre 3 dana) u Kusatsu, to je poznato onsen odmaraliste i nalazi se u sred mape, na mestu osencenom kao da ima 60-600,000 bekerela.

    Evo i mape:




    Strava. Strava i uzas.


    Cek da vidimo koliko je to. Najtamnije je oko same Fukushime. 3,000,000 bekerela, 3 Megabekerela. Od toga se svetli u mraku?

    Hau yes nou.

    Evo sta znaci jos i vise od toga, 3.7 Megabekerela:


    Another concern is radioactive caesium. This didn't cause any measurable health consequences following Chernobyl, but it did result in areas of farmland being abandoned for long periods as it has a lengthy half-life. Consequences on this scale seem unlikely in Japan, however, as releases of material from the reactor cores at Fukushima have been tiny compared to that from Chernobyl.

    In one spot 25 miles from the plant an IAEA team has reportedly measured activity as high as 3.7 megabecquerels from caesium: if you remained within a metre of that spot constantly for 22 years you could acquire a radiation dose sufficient to raise your chances of cancer by a tiny fraction of a percentage point (actually it would take longer, as nearly half of the caesium would have decayed away by then: call it 30 years without breaks. You would also need to ensure that nothing dispersed or washed away the caesium. Your chance of getting cancer would then rise from say 25 per cent or whatever it was to 25.0001 per cent, or similar.)

    Having that caesium in your house, in short, would be hugely less dangerous to you than having your bath - you might very easily slip and break your neck in the bath, or accidentally drown yourself. Nonetheless various international "experts" - often anti-nuclear campaigners, in fact - suggest that this means the Japanese evacuation zone should be extended
    .


    I sta je moj drugar otkazao? Ono u sredini, Gunma, 60,000 - 600,000 bekerela. U najgorem slucaju pet puta manje od gornjeg primera, trebalo bi da stoji na metar od izvora pa da za hiljadu godina poveca sansu da dobije rak sa 25% na 25.0001%. Ujeo se za usnu kada sam mu ovo rekao.

    Detektovan plutonijum!

    Da, u kolicini od 2% onoga sto svako ljudsko telo normalno zraci.

    Degeneracija covecanstva, nista drugo. Sa medijima zeljnim senzacije i rejtinga u vodecoj ulozi u kreiranju i daljem produbljivanju.
    (Clone of Yoyogi)

  3. #3
    Jos jedan primer kako novinari ne znaju sta pisu a citaoci ne znaju sta citaju.


    Fukushina 1 - tura za novinare


    Da izdvojim vazan deo:


    The radiation reading inside the bus when it was parked at J. Village was 1.5 microsieverts per hour, higher than the outside reading of 0.5 microsieverts. That meant the interior of the bus was more contaminated than the outside environment at J. Village.
    "That's probably because the bus is regularly used" to shuttle plant workers back and forth between J. Village and the plant, a Tepco official explained.


    J-village je Fukushima Dai-Ni, tu spavaja radnici, nekih 20km od ostecene Fukushima Dai-Ichi.

    Sta to znaci? Microsievert je hiljaditi deo milisieverta. Po ovoj radijaciji, neko bi za godinu dana dobio 4.3 milisieverta, upola manje nego piloti i stjuardese koji dobiju 8.7 miliseverta godisnje.
    U Engleskoj je dozvoljeno 100 (sto) milisieverta i tamo ne bi bilo evakuacije stanovnistva.

    Beznacajna radijacija, tako je i odmah uz nuklearku. Ali to niti novinar zna niti publika mnogo pita.

    Evo, ja samo kazem ono sto pise a on to nije razumeo a opet napisao.

    A kako bi i izgledalo da jedan takav odvazan avanturista (novinari sebe smatraju takvima) koji ide mecki na rupu, kroz pustinje i prasume, u skafanderu kao astronaut prizna - da je vise radijacije popio u avionu dolazeci u Japan nego oko samog postrojenja Fukushima Dai Ichi? Pa ne bi bilo gotivno uopste, da bruka decu i celu familiju, ajde begaj.
    (Clone of Yoyogi)

  4. #4
    Kako i najfinija stampa, The Economist, moze da prospe bullshit.


    ... The air of secrecy is compounded when you try to approach workers involved in the nightmarish task of stabilising the nuclear plant. Many are not salaried Tepco staff but low-paid contract workers lodging in Iwaki, just south of the exclusion zone.
    It is easy to spot them, in their nylon tracksuits. They seem to have been recruited from the poorest corners of society. One man calls home from a telephone box because he cannot afford a mobile phone. Another has a single front tooth. Both are reluctant to talk to journalists, because a condition of their employment is silence. But they do share their concerns about safety. One, who earns Ą15,000 ($190) a day clearing radioactive rubble at the plant, says he was given just half-an-hour of safety training. Almost everything he has learned about radiation risks, he says, came from the television.

    A strict hierarchy exists among the workers at Fukushima. Tepco’s own salaried staff are in a minority. The firm employs a top tier of subcontractors, from the builders of reactors such as Toshiba and Hitachi. They, in turn, subcontract work to builders and engineers, who subcontract further, down to small gangs of labourers recruited by a single boss. Some lower-ranking companies may have ties to the yakuza, Japan’s mafia, and among the lowest-paid recruits are members of the burakumin minority, who have long been discriminated against.


    Odakle da pocnemo...

    1. low-paid....who earns Ą15,000 ($190) a day


    Autor nema pojma da je ta zarada 3 puta vise nego sto se ciscenje nakon rusenja gradjevina placa. Plus smestaj i ishrana. Tri puta vise. Ako radi 25 dana, to je 5,000$ mesecno kao od sale da mu ostane, nema ni gde ni nasta da potrosi.
    Pitam se da li i sam novinar Ekonomista zaradjuje toliko mesecno. Verovatno ne. A tek da proba da ustedi 5,000$ mesecno.

    2. recruited from the poorest corners of society


    Idiii? A da se to ciscenje desava u Americi, da li bi kriminalci sa Wall Streeta odbacili svoja armani odela i blekberije i jurnuli u obnovu? Would they fuck.
    Bili bi to sve Meksikanci i Crnci i ilegalci.
    Pa Waldorf Astoria, hotel gde je nayebo Strauss-Kan je imao sobaricu ilegalnu emigrantkinju, nepismenu i koja nije znala engleski a naplacivali su 2,000$ za noc.

    3. may have ties to the yakuza


    Moguce samo dupeglavac autor ne zna zasto.
    Evo zasto: Japanci imaju u proseku 160 hiljada dolara ustedjevine po glavi, u banci. Oni koji nemaju, traze kredit. Oni koji ne mogu da dobiju kredit od banaka (vec se cuju zvona z auzbunu: kako to da neko ne moze da dobije kredit od banke, to mogu i ja, kao stranac), idu kod finansijkih ustanova koje naplacuju vecu kamatu. Oni koji ne mogu nigde da dobiju pare (sad se oseca miris ko su takvi) idu kod yakuza (organizovani kriminal) da pozajme. I dobiju. Samo, kamate su 20% mesecno, ne godisnje. Kad nemaju da plate, yakuza dodje, ovaj se vadi da nema posao. Nemas posao? Evo drzavni posao, idi i cisti Fukushimu i vrati pare.

    4. among the lowest-paid recruits are members of the burakumin minority

    Kako do qrca on zna ko je burakumin? Oni jeste da su imali ulogu pre 200 godina kao nasi Cigani ali ne izgledaju fizicki drugacije od ostalih Japanaca. I samim Japancima je tesko da kazu ko je burakuminskog porekla, obrazovaniji mozda i mogu na osnovu prezimena i mesta rodjenja ali ovaj dupeglavac novinar to sigurno ne zna. Da zna, ne bi zaradjivao pola para koje cistaci (njegovi navodni burakumini) bez skole zaradjuju na ciscenju.

    Celo djubre od clanka
    (Clone of Yoyogi)

  5. #5
    Nuclear agency OKs stress tests on 2 Fukui reactors

    Feb. 14, 2012 - 01:45PM JST


    TOKYO —
    Japan has cleared the way to restart two idled nuclear reactors in coming months for the first time since last year’s Fukushima crisis. The move comes after officials gave them passing marks on a set of “stress tests.”

    Only three of Japan’s 54 reactors are operating now. Authorities ordered all reactors shut down to undergo the special tests to check for their ability to withstand disasters like the massive earthquake and tsunami that caused the Fukushima crisis.

    The Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency said in a report Monday that the operator of the two Ohi reactors in Fukui Prefecture has taken sufficient steps to prevent severe damage from disasters.

    Restarting the two reactors may still take a few months.


    Gornji tekst nije moj ali ove slike bas tog reaktora jesu. Od letos, dok je jos radio.

    Da ne znam sta je, ne bih lako rekao (gledano sa ostrva u Sea of Japan, prema Koreji):




    Sa brda odakle se ide do reaktora, plaza, Mihahama, mozda 100 hiljada ljudi na njoj tog dana:




    Tu ima i muzej nuklearne energije:





    Od njega nema dalje....preko mosta je nuklearka:


    (Clone of Yoyogi)

  6. #6
    Metak u chelo!

    Jos jedan glupacki clanak, je li moguce da sve sto ne zna nista zavrsi po novinskim redakcijama?

    Ovo dole je kao da je neko rekao "u Americi detektovan zemljotres od 9 rihtera u Japanu" i da se svi u Americi smesta prepadnu kao da se trese ispod njih samih.
    Tako i ova beznacajna radijacija koja je detektovana, bas tako, detektovana i beznacajna, cak i sam clanak kaze da je daleko od bilo kakvog rizika za bilo koga, ni za biljni ni za zivotinjski svet u okeanu. Opet, kad neko vidi, pomisli da je gotovo.


    Thursday, Feb. 23, 2012

    Cesium found 640 km off Fukushima in June

    AP

    SALT LAKE CITY — Radioactivity from the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear plant disaster has been detected as far away as 643 km offshore in the Pacific Ocean.
    Scientists say ocean water showed readings of up to 1,000 times prior levels of cesium-137 from the stricken Fukushima plant. But they say the new readings are far below the levels that are generally considered harmful, either to marine animals or people who eat seafood.

    The results are from water samples taken in June, about three months after the disaster caused by a powerful earthquake and the tsunami that followed.

    The findings were reported Tuesday at a scientific meeting in the United States.
    (Clone of Yoyogi)

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    Nista posebno, samo koliko da sacuvam ovaj klip.

    U njemu je (crna zgrada) moj tokijski ofis. Levo je Microsoft, desno je JR East. Zgrada stoji na hidraulicnim jastucima (sve su takve). U njoj sam preziveo desetine zemljotresa ali iznutra ne moze lepo da se snimi lelujanje zgrada jer i sam lelujas sa njima.


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